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Michael Baker-Mosley: being great at marketing won't make you a great marketing leader

Leo Judkins sits down with Michael Baker-Mosley, ex-Head of Brand at Kambi and ex-CMO at iGP, on stepping into a C-level role unprepared, why most B2B marketing in iGaming is renting its audience, and letting go of people he hired and believed in.

Michael Baker-Mosley
Ex-Head of Brand, Kambi · Ex-CMO, iGP
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01 · Watch the episode

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02 · The guest

Michael Baker-Mosley

Marketing leader & consultant · Ambassador, iGaming Leader Mastermind

Michael Baker-Mosley is a senior marketing leader and consultant with over a decade of experience across B2B technology, iGaming, and brand strategy.

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03 · Inside this episode

Sixteen moments worth queuing up

00:00 From the smoking area at SBC Lisbon to the iGaming Leader: who Michael is now vs. then.
02:00 The gap nobody prepares you for: the step up from head of to C-level.
05:00 “We promote people who are good at their job. And we might get a shit manager.”
09:00 The best hire Michael ever made: a risk manager from Amazon with nine months of events experience.
12:00 Two-thirds of marketers have never had formal training. What that actually means for the industry.
18:00 Delegation gone wrong: the PR piece that went live on the first day of his holiday.
24:00 Letting people go: why it is never just business, and why it should not be.
28:00 The human cost of redundancy when the team was genuinely performing.
31:00 Picking a nemesis: why having a competitor with 45 people in their B2B marketing team was a gift.
34:00 Rented audience vs. owned brand: the most expensive mistake in B2B marketing.
38:00 Why SEO, paid media, and affiliate are all forms of renting someone else's audience.
41:00 The ROI of brand: why CFOs get it wrong and CMOs let them.
44:00 What Michael would tell his earlier self on day one of the CMO role.
46:00 Why Michael became an Ambassador for the iGaming Leader.

04 · In his own words

01 / 07

“We promote people who are good at their job. And actually it's so wrong for so many people, because you lose somebody who's good at their job and you might get a shit manager as well.”

02 / 07

“The best hire I made in my marketing team was a risk manager from Amazon. Outside the industry. Had about nine months of event management experience.”

03 / 07

“Two-thirds of marketers have never had any formal training. I've hired a risk manager from Amazon, but it's true.”

04 / 07

“I wasn't asking for people's opinions of whether or not I should be calm. It was too late. My mistake was to go ballistic.”

05 / 07

“You as a leader always have to remember: it's not about you. It's about them.”

06 / 07

“If you're looking to enter a market, picking a nemesis is a great way to do it. One of our competitors had 45 people in their B2B marketing team, ten to one outspending us. We would find ways to subtly mock them at any opportunity.”

07 / 07

“To build long-term value for a business, marketing needs to be building brand, building its own audience, owning the audience itself. Everything else is rented.”

05 · Key takeaways

What to actually take from this one

The promotion trap

Promoting the best performer into management is one of the most costly mistakes in iGaming. You lose a high performer and risk gaining a poor manager — the skills rarely transfer.

Hire for your weaknesses

Michael's best hire was a risk manager from Amazon with nine months of events experience. Hiring outside the industry builds the depth that frees a leader to operate strategically.

Rented audience vs. owned brand

Paid media, affiliates, SEO, and editorial are all rented. When the algorithm or spend stops, the audience disappears. Only an owned brand is durable.

Picking a nemesis

Entering a competitive B2B market without positioning is invisible. Building your identity in contrast to a well-funded competitor is a legitimate go-to-market strategy.

It is never just business

The hardest part of leadership is telling someone you hired and believed in that it's over, for reasons that aren't their fault. Treating that as purely transactional costs something you don't get back.

Stamp your vision early

Michael's biggest regret was waiting a year to bring his vision to board level. A CMO who waits to be invited into strategy is seen as a cost, not a driver of growth.

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